Ah, hell, I'm stupid - I forgot to post a link to Graham's packs (Cilo Gear). They're very nice and very lightweight and very comfy and excellent for ice and other things, and if you're in the market for a new pack, as someone who has fit and sold pretty much all of the major brands of packs out there for many years, I would definitely recommend them to a lot of people (but they're not for everyone, I have to say... you need a brain to fully appreciate them...)